dira: Nate Fick, keeping his chin up (Nate - Chin Up)
Dira Sudis ([personal profile] dira) wrote2014-02-19 07:11 pm

Meme: February 19: Generation Kill and the border of reality

February 19: [livejournal.com profile] _whiskers asks, do you consider GK an RPF fandom? Why or why not?

Hmmm. Mostly yes--there are real guys with these characters' names, and it's their real lives I and my fellow GK fandomers are basing fic on. I personally certainly have written copious amounts of One Bullet Away fanfic under the banner of GK fandom.

At the same time, we're all definitely working off the HBO fictionalized versions of these guys, and the packaged, memoir-ized versions, plus the slightly less filtered RPF fodder of information about their lives that have trickled out in the years since the miniseries. I feel like it's definitely an RPF fandom at a slightly greater remove than most things that you would unquestioningly call an RPF fandom--maybe a bit more like writing fic about My Chemical Romance's Danger Days personas than writing fic about them directly, as a vague analogy. It's Stark Sands and Alexander Skarsgard who I picture when I'm picturing Nate and Brad having sex, not Nate Fick Actual and Brad Colbert Actual, so in that way there is a difference. The way I ship these guys has a lot to do with acting and directing choices from the miniseries, less to do with anything that comes from the Actual Guys Themselves.

And all of that said, I have bounced between RPF and FPF so long, and have worn down so many of my moral lines about which is okay and which isn't, that I find the question of whether or not it's an RPF fandom mostly uninteresting. I know that people who are in the fandom operate in different places along a spectrum of engaging with information about the real guys in fiction--many people deliberately use fictional names for their family members, reject the ~canon~ of what we know about their real lives post-2008, and of course this is also the root of a lot of the keep-it-secret-keep-it-safe attitude of the fandom--and I'm okay with meeting people wherever they are with that. For me I write it in a pretty-RPF-y way and I'm comfortable doing so.

I will say that back in bandom, when the fourth wall was getting punctured in various ways (VickyT commenting on fic about her! Pete Wentz's everything!) I realized that my point of anxiety about real people finding the fic I wrote about them was not that they would be upset by it (because whatever, if you don't want to read fic about yourself don't read fic about yourself, you're an adult) but that they would know what I got wrong. With the GK guys I don't even feel like I need to worry about that. Although...

...So maybe I should be more concerned, but idk, that seems like a pretty supportive reaction. :)
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[personal profile] christycorr 2014-02-20 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Evan Wright favouriting that tweet is still one of the most amusing instances of fourth-wall-smashery I've ever witnessed :D

GK is so solidly FPF in my brain that I sometimes see updates related to the Actuals and just go, 'oh, right, THEM.' Maybe mostly my brain likes fanon Nate better than Actual Nate. :D
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[personal profile] trinity_clare 2014-02-20 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like historical fiction is so solidly FPF that this kind of thing has to be as well? But I'm never sure what to classify The Social Network, either. Obviously the key ingredient is time.

[personal profile] 1_whiskers 2014-02-20 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
I find TSN so interesting 4th wall, wise! The movie itself is obvs RPF - and IMO has a lot in common w/ slash RPF: it doesn't have the consent of its subjects; it ignores canon relationships; unlike most other historical fiction (eg Frost v Nixon), we don't have the grace of decades of time elapsed - it's talking about more or less current events. (Unlike most RPF, the creators are absolutely guaranteed that the subjects saw it, so... do we think they squirmed?)

The fanfic... I think I have to come down w/ dsudis here - if GK is RPF, so is TSN. You may be picturing Andrew Garfield, but you still would feel the 4th wall was violated if Eduardo Savarin read the fic.
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[personal profile] trinity_clare 2014-02-20 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I'd be uncomfortable if an actor read my fic about their character (unless they were, like, Orlando Jones), so I'm not sure where I'd draw that line, personally. I love and mourn the fourth wall.

GK and TSN themselves are definitely, definitely RPF, so that I think demands the question of how do we classify fic about fic? If someone, say, writes a bandom story without knowing anything about the band besides what they've read in fic, is it still RPF? If someone writes based on a fanon construction of the characters instead of working from ~canon? On the other hand, people writing LOTR movieverse fic still acknowledge that the characters were Tolkien's first.

Personally I'm a big fan of the tactic Dira mentions in the post, in which fans intentionally restrict themselves to the information set forth in GK canon, and aggressively pretend they don't know anything about these real people's real lives. I think the minute an author starts drawing from RL sources beyond the published material, it becomes unequivocal RPF.
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[personal profile] kass 2014-02-20 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry. I. What. EVAN WRIGHT favorited your tweet. WHAT THE FUCK. That is so awesome, I can't even.
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[personal profile] lakeeffectgirl 2014-02-20 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
ALl the OBA fanfic. All of it. *weeps*